ROGERT EBERT FUCKING LOVED WATCHMEN. AND IT COMES OUT TODAY OMG

[TheOfficer]

I too prefer the new ending, not going to lie. I was always sort of "wtf" about the absurdity of the one in the comic, I think the change makes more sense.

I don't mean to make anyone defensive, I'm generally curious, in what way is the one in the comic absurd? Someone told me that the comic's ending is a cop-out and I have to disagree. The bad-guy wins, the heroes don't pull off a crazy, last-minute rescue of the truth and become complicit in Veidt's scheme. Is it the fake martian thing?

Yeah, it is the fake martian thing, and only the fake martian thing. I just mean I liked that they built it up as Dr. Manhattan in the movie. I felt that was a better conclusion than, "oh a alien decided to blow us all up". I didn't mean that anything else was absurd at all, only the martian. It just seemed so out of left field (despite the disappearing artists etc.) in the book. In the comic it seemed sort of unnecessary and I never really understood why that was the chosen approach.

Though I don't know why its so much easier for me to believe a radioactive man with god-like powers. But somehow it is.

[Rhino......................]

Yeah, it is the fake martian thing, and only the fake martian thing. I just mean I liked that they built it up as Dr. Manhattan in the movie. I felt that was a better conclusion than, "oh a alien decided to blow us all up". I didn't mean that anything else was absurd at all, only the martian. It just seemed so out of left field (despite the disappearing artists etc.) in the book. In the comic it seemed sort of unnecessary and I never really understood why that was the chosen approach.

Though I don't know why its so much easier for me to believe a radioactive man with god-like powers. But somehow it is.

SPOILERS

Why would the United States' ultimate weapon turning against the Unites States unite the world in peace? You'd think the Russians would jump at the opportunity, like they did when Dr. Manhattan left Earth in the first place. The nice thing about the fake Martian was that it was so out of nowhere. Veidt knew it would take a catastrophe beyond anyone's expectation or comprehension to end the petty squabbles between nations, and it worked. No one had any idea what was happening; all anyone knew was that this tentacled thing, whatever it was, had destroyed an entire city without warning.

That being said, I'm glad Snyder didn't try to tackle the Martian ending. It would have had some tacked-on, forced explanation and would have been sloppy and confusing, like the rest of the movie. I just wish he'd thought more often about what does and doesn't work in a movie adaptation, instead of frantically cramming everything that would fit, frame by frame, word for word, into two hours and forty minutes. A comic isn't a movie; there are other tools besides dialogue you can use to tell the story. Use them. Otherwise, what's the point?

SPOILERS

[WWW.SETH.COM]

Why would the United States' ultimate weapon turning against the Unites States unite the world in peace? You'd think the Russians would jump at the opportunity, like they did when Dr. Manhattan left Earth in the first place. The nice thing about the fake Martian was that it was so out of nowhere. Veidt knew it would take a catastrophe beyond anyone's expectation or comprehension to end the petty squabbles between nations, and it worked. No one had any idea what was happening; all anyone knew was that this tentacled thing, whatever it was, had destroyed an entire city without warning.

This pretty much sums up my feelings. Thank you Dave.

[TheOfficer]

Why would the United States' ultimate weapon turning against the Unites States unite the world in peace? You'd think the Russians would jump at the opportunity, like they did when Dr. Manhattan left Earth in the first place. The nice thing about the fake Martian was that it was so out of nowhere. Veidt knew it would take a catastrophe beyond anyone's expectation or comprehension to end the petty squabbles between nations, and it worked. No one had any idea what was happening; all anyone knew was that this tentacled thing, whatever it was, had destroyed an entire city without warning.

I guess the way  I see it the world kind of assumes Dr. Manhattan goes AWOL and seeing as America also suffered the horrific loss of NY, sees this and loses the desire to fight. The fuel is taken out of the worlds fire, and I think that Snyder still recreated a catastrophe that would halt the world in its tracks and make it reconsider what exactly was happening. The loss of life was still massive and happening all over the globe, and it was my assumption that people were to take on an almost religious fear of Dr. Manhattan. Theres the line at the end with Spectre and Night Owl about how people will stay in line as long as they're scared hes still watching. He literally becomes the vengeful god. I liked that parody, to be quite honest.

I don't want to argue this with you though. I knew saying that I didn't think the movie was a complete bastardization would get me into hot water with those of you guys that really adore the comic. But I never felt so partial to it as that. I agree completely that Snyders downfall was almost sticking TOO close to the comic. He didn't take any artistic liberty and the comic pacing just does not translate at all into the film format.

[Famous Hogbert]

The loss of life was still massive and happening all over the globe, and it was my assumption that people were to take on an almost religious fear of Dr. Manhattan. Theres the line at the end with Spectre and Night Owl about how people will stay in line as long as they're scared hes still watching. He literally becomes the vengeful god. I liked that parody, to be quite honest.

This is how I saw the ending, too. The god-like fear, hate and reverence of Dr. Manhattan got people in line.
The fact that some idealized blue man who could zap me into oblivion without me even realizing it is just as terrifying as some creature from another dimension. So what's wrong if the fear of another alien attack is switched with the fear of a blue god attack?
Part of the reason that I was unimpressed with the alien is because it just looked so lame.
I loved how Veidt gathered all these people to create this creature that would scare you silly because of the way it looked, moved, smelled, even sounded. The presentation was not up to snuff, although the reasons behind it were understandable. Perhaps Moore and Gibbons should have left it up to the reader's imagination.
In fact, the more I think about it, the more I like the movie than the comic...

[Shire Le Buff]

Whenever you have something visual that is supposed to be "The scariest thing there is" appear, it will always disappoint, this is true.

Can I just get this on record? Watchmen is far from my favorite comic. It's not even my favorite work by Moore. But I hold it in such reverence because it is probably the most important comic ever made. Not just with the plot, which is your basic "what if super heros were reeeeal? and what if they weren't heeeroooos?" idea, but with its presentation. When people say "Watchmen is un-filmable" they aren't saying this as some credo to how great the source material is.

They are saying this in a very literal sense. One of the many lofty goals Moore set for himself in creating this work was to prove how important comics were as a medium. So he created one that did things no movie, television show, or novel could.

So yeah, fuck this movie. Snyder you hack.

[WWW.SETH.COM]

It's interesting to me to read about people who don't have any idea how dark Watchmen is. I've seen a few reviews where reviewers mention people leaving mid-way through horrified or bringing their children to see the movie expecting Iron Man or Spiderman.

[Rhino......................]

Theres the line at the end with Spectre and Night Owl about how people will stay in line as long as they're scared hes still watching. He literally becomes the vengeful god. I liked that parody, to be quite honest.

This is how I saw the ending, too. The god-like fear, hate and reverence of Dr. Manhattan got people in line.
The fact that some idealized blue man who could zap me into oblivion without me even realizing it is just as terrifying as some creature from another dimension. So what's wrong if the fear of another alien attack is switched with the fear of a blue god attack?

But Dr. Manhattan is supposed to be the antithesis of a vengeful god. That's what makes him so



 

[Shire Le Buff]

 

[Famous Hogbert]

But Dr. Manhattan is supposed to be the antithesis of a vengeful god. That's what makes him so

Yes, he is the antithesis. But in the movie, Veidt makes the public believe the opposite. And I rather enjoyed that aspect.

[The Ocean]

Jackie Earle Haley as Rorshack was the only thing that was really good. The rest of the movie was meh.

[Infinite Jerkgrinders]

I felt that the departure at the end was as stupid and as poorly executed as the soundtrack to the movie. I have yet to hear a good reason for the change; the movie seemed to follow the novel relatively closely up until that single  SHIFT.  Why the fuck would the russians come to America's aid - it would have made more sense from the Soviet Standpoint to wait and let Dr. Manhattan fuck America up even more. Now that Manhattan is gone and not protecting America, it would mean that the Russians have a fair amount of leverage based off how many nuclear warheads they had accumulated (was it 51,000?) Manhattan never attacked Russia, and from what we can tell from the book, he was used as a sort of 'wall' against nukes, keeping America in power by changing the effect of Russian nuclear weapons to almost nothing or negligible amounts.

Furthermore, the explosion that Veidt released appeared to give off no radiation, thus making the global consequences of Dr. Manhattan's suposed attack as negligible as conventional bombs - the reason no one uses nukes second to M.A.D is because of their 'dirty' aspects, that would affect everyone, not simply the enemy. So after 'Manhattan's attack' there are virtually no negative consequences to Russia, other than their global image, which lets face it, the Soviets didn't care too too much for.

The Alien, which admittedly could have been designed much better (and would have were it in the movie) was a far better 'attack' than simply another 'large explosion.'  Everyone was expecting an explosion; instant city ruins and a giant fireball, and having just that happen is just plain boring, the alien was a hell of a lot more interesting because it played on fears that were beyond nations, things the people had not even considered, and now that Manhattan was gone, the human race was truly on its own. Furthermore, it was alone against a foreign, hostile, unknown threat with tremendous power, enough to extinct the human race - something that is far more terrifying than some random blue humanoid who blows up cities. Nuking one another, and power plays become moot because there is a greater threat to all of humanity, a threat that doesn't see communist red or American blue, and because of that colorblindness, humans are forced to become colorblind themselves, or perish as a species, which makes unity a hell of a lot more believable.

It seems odd that they should remain true to most of the story up until the ending, and then have that change so damn radical.

also, I totally agree with The Ocean - Rorschach completely stole the show, though the comedian was a close second. 

I'd give the movie a B- were it not for the soundtrack, and the horrible ending change, but because they're both in the movie, D+.

[TheOfficer]

He attacked the entire world.
He attacked the entire world.
HE ATTACKED THE MOTHERFUCKING ENTIRE WORLD.

[Famous Hogbert]

Why the fuck would the russians come to America's aid

JESUS FUCK.

[Rhino......................]

Rooaarrr it's me Rorschach. The withdrawn, matter-of-fact demeanor that makes my character so compelling is lost in a sea of emotionless, monotone actors. RUFF RUFF!! I'm a big angry dog!

[TheOfficer]

Rooaarrr it's me Rorschach. The withdrawn, matter-of-fact demeanor that makes my character so compelling is lost in a sea of emotionless, monotone actors. RUFF RUFF!! I'm a big angry dog!

true facts, davey.

and because gifs are my new favorite thing ever:

[The Ocean]

Overused meme but funny.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIhHema5PNg[/youtube]

[Shire Le Buff]

Bwahahahaha!

http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2009/04/watchmen-outgrossed-batman-robin

[FAGGOT WATCHIN TRON]

Wow that movie is even worse than I remember. Jeeze.