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« on: October 23, 2006, 02:22:11 PM »

Dream Theater covers Metallica's "Master of Puppets"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UpUjYMvssU

James LaBrie, the singer, absolutely ruined the song. He struggled to sound like James Hetfield and failed miserably. It would've been a moderately decent cover if someone else sang it.

They all looked too tense playing this song. They didn't seem to be enjoying playing it. Even John Petrucci looked like he had trouble with the constant downstrokes during the verse riff.

I would've given them credit for being creative and having the guitar solo traded between guitar and keyboard, but the keyboardist sounded horrible, especially with that pitch bend shit. Even moreso, the keyboard flourish at the end (the very last riff in the song) just sounded bad.

Frankly, I expected more of Mike Portnoy. Even Lars' drumming on the original "Master" was more active and interesting than Mike's. One could argue that he was holding back to fit the style of the song, but as a drummer whose played many covers, I know it is possible to deviate from the original without overplaying.

The way I see it, a cover is supposed to be a band's take on the original song. Specifically, I think the band should put a creative spin on the original by infusing their style. At least with this cover, I think Dream Theater were damned by their own perfectionist sense. They tried so hard to stay close to the original, and it just didn't work. What they could've done to make it better, I'm not quite sure. A progressive break in odd-time would be more characteristic of them, but I'm not sure how well that would've worked in this song.
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2006, 12:01:38 AM »

Uch. I couldn't even finish that once he started singing.
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2006, 12:05:47 AM »

I can't even finish it because I'm not going to start it. Fuck Dream Theatre. They disgrace Prog with their wankery. For those who want to wash their mouths of whatever is left from that YouTube filth, put on Emerson, Lake and Palmer's "Tarkus."
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2006, 03:08:36 AM »

DT sucks it hard. I'd do a better job then LaBrie. Oh yeah, I forgot that's how I got my start singing. I was doing Metallica covers. Well fuck then if I could do it when I just started singing don't you think a vet like LaBrie would be able to? Well you'd think so but not on this planet.

Also, I'm going to come clean. I hate prog. Not all prog but most of it is wankery for the sake of wankery. Instead of playing a 4/4 beat that sounds good with the song the drummer will play some retard ass beat just because he fucking can. Or certain bands will give everyone and their mother a solo with just  drags a song out and ruins it. Fuck maybe I'm just a close minded asshole but I know better.
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2007, 03:26:56 PM »

To be fair, you can't judge a band based on cover songs.  Go listen to "Images and Words" or "Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From a Memory" and go tell me those aren't incredible.  Sure Petrucci lacks feeling most of the time, La Brie's vocals leave something to be desired, and Octavarium was 45 minutes of pure trash, but all in all they're a stellar group of musicians.  Additionally if you can't stad LaBrie that much, go listen to some Liquid Tension Experiment.

Also just check these out QUOTE THIS POST AND CALL ME A CUNT they're amazing:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SKMYeXkYcgs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=evTTHS9hwvU
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2007, 04:19:02 PM »

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Put on Emerson, Lake and Palmer's "Tarkus."


I think I will! I always feel like a nerd listening to prog rock, but hey, it's really pretty cool.
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2007, 04:34:01 PM »

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To be fair, you can't judge a band based on cover songs.  Go listen to "Images and Words" or "Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From a Memory" and go tell me those aren't incredible.  Sure Petrucci lacks feeling most of the time, La Brie's vocals leave something to be desired, and Octavarium was 45 minutes of pure trash, but all in all they're a stellar group of musicians.  Additionally if you can't stad LaBrie that much, go listen to some Liquid Tension Experiment.

Also just check these out QUOTE THIS POST AND CALL ME A CUNT they're amazing:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SKMYeXkYcgs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=evTTHS9hwvU


A few days ago I saw them on YouTube coveing Machine Messiah, a song from Yes' dark period. And I think Howe was playing with them.

I just can't get over their song writing. I know they're good. But their style... it's like having sex with Jessica Alba when she's 80.
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2007, 06:45:05 PM »

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To be fair, you can't judge a band based on cover songs.

That's a good point. I've been waiting for someone to bring it up. However, in my post I was judging only their cover, not the band as a whole. Master of Puppets is one of my favorite songs of all time, and it was painful to hear DT trash it.
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but all in all they're a stellar group of musicians.

Being a good musician doesn't necessarily make for a good band. So many other things, not the least of which is songwriting, have to be taken into account.

I admit, I've never listened to DT album the whole way through (only songs here and there). I'll accept your challenge...I'll listen to Images and Words the whole way through and give you a stat rep. I doubt I'll find it incredible, but we'll see.
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2007, 10:35:14 PM »

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However, in my post I was judging only their cover, not the band as a whole. Master of Puppets is one of my favorite songs of all time, and it was painful to hear DT trash it.


That's fair, vocally at least. Nothing beats the '86 Hetfield growl.  However, the technicality with which these guys play the album, they play it almost better than Metallica can. Especially Petrucci with Kirk's lead parts, since Kirk's such a sloppy live lead player, John will blow Mr. Hammett out of the water.  I think it should also be said that I'm a huge huge huge Metallica fan, and have been a MetClub member for like 4 years now (at least).

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Being a good musician doesn't necessarily make for a good band. So many other things, not the least of which is songwriting, have to be taken into account.

That's true, but these guys have what it takes. They've got the chemistry, work off each other really well live, and from what I've heard are all really awesome, down to earth guys. Especially Portnoy, I hear he's the man. Dude's the man enough that he has a little Asian dude that isn't John Myung sitting behind his drumset to swing out a mic whenever he needs to do backup vocals.  Petrucci seems like a bit of a tool though. But he can be, since he can kill you from shredding so fast.

Also, I recommend listening to "Metropolis 2: Scenes From a Memory" over "Images and Words," if for no other reason than that it's one of my favorite albums ever, but I've got a hard-on for concept albums to begin with.
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2007, 11:27:32 PM »

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I'm a huge huge huge Metallica fan, and have been a MetClub member for like 4 years now (at least).

Always nice to meet a fellow Metallica fan. Have you heard anything about the new album? Apparently they started messing around with new material on their most recent tour. On this tour, they played Master of Puppets the whole way through to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the album's release, and supposedly Master of Puppets influenced the new material. Let's hope that they go back to their roots, but not going back to their roots like they did on St. Anger...

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That's true, but these guys have what it takes. They've got the chemistry, work off each other really well live, and from what I've heard are all really awesome, down to earth guys. Especially Portnoy, I hear he's the man. Dude's the man enough that he has a little Asian dude that isn't John Myung sitting behind his drumset to swing out a mic whenever he needs to do backup vocals.  Petrucci seems like a bit of a tool though. But he can be, since he can kill you from shredding so fast.

I don't think shredding justifies being a tool. And of course Mike Portnoy is the man...me being a drummer, he's the one in the band I respect the most. I'd hate to be his drum tech though.


Anyways, I listened to Images and Words. What I did was open a Word document and just listed my thoughts as each song played. So without further ado, here's what came of my Dream Theater listening session...

Track 1) The riff sounds like it belongs in Metallica’s self titled album or perhaps Van Halen II. Singer’s voice sounds slightly out of place. Nice drum triggers, Mr. Portnoy. Argh, there goes the shred. The keyboard reminds me of video game music. Okay, enough of the vocal musings. When is this song going to end?

2) Oh, how sweet, acoustic guitar and piano. Hey, an 80’s ballad solo. Ugh. That’s all. Ugh. This song sounds out of place. The guitar solo would be decent if he didn’t do all those stupid tapping tricks. It sounds like they have an adult contemporary saxophone player. Is that the keyboardist using different sounds?

3) The keyboard counterpoint melody at the beginning is lame. There is too much going on during the verse; the funky strum would probably sound cool all by itself. You know, sticking to one rhythm isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Shuffle straight shuffle shuffle hey listeners, let’s play “Guess That Time Signature!” Also, why do keyboard players like the pitch shift control so much? I feel like I can predict the next chord they’re going to use. That’s not a good thing. Must there be a few counts of shred in between each sustaining note?

4) Ethereal keyboards…hooray for going over the bar line. I’m actually impressed. That doesn’t mean I’m enjoying this. Okay John, enough of the guitar tricks. Is this what people call “passionate” music?

5) SLEIGH BELLS LOL. Hmm, this sounds like the first song all over again. Alright, the time signatures impress me, but yeesh, these chord progressions are pretty trite. LaBrie wailing doesn’t help much. He needs to stop hitting high notes. Hey, let’s give the bassist his share of the spotlight! Alright John Myung, your 5 seconds are up. NOW LET’S ALL GO WATCH THE GUITARIST AND THE KEYBOARDIST AGAIN. Hmm, they’re using some interesting scales here. Oh wait, there goes LaBrie again. Bah.

6) Okay…nifty double bass pedal groove. Again nice use of scales. Oh wait. The keyboard fucked it up. Carnival music is what this sounds like to me. This song reminds me of Iced Earth. You get the same effect with either band. Only Iced Earth isn’t anywhere near as hyped up as Dream Theater. Some nice use of subdivision in this song by the rhythm section…but the keyboard is too distracting. Okay, standard metal percussive hits here.

7) Piano ballad…it’s an interesting melody.

8) Odd-time shuffles are nice. Okay, that’s enough.

Conclusions) I still hate Dream Theater. On most of these songs, I found myself counting down until the song ended. But to be honest, I almost want to enjoy them. Listening to this album has given me more respect for them as musicians. Frankly, I think I might enjoy them if they dropped the keyboardist, the singer and the shred solos. On a slightly related note, I could just have an overall pessimistic view because I'm at the moment sick of any heavy metal that isn't Metallica, Mastodon or King Diamond. I've spent most of the past year and a half listening almost exclusively to metal. Progressive atmospheric melodic death metal from Sweden, anyone? That said, a lot of metal sounds trite to me.

So I must thank you for confronting my pessimism towards DT. I still don't like them, but at least they're not as much of prog-metal wankers as Spiral Architect.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2007, 02:39:22 AM »

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Have you heard anything about the new album? Apparently they started messing around with new material on their most recent tour.

Yeah, I have. They were aiming for the end of '07, but it seems like it's gonna be '08 thanks to this "Sick of the Studio tour." If you're gonna fucking tour, at least stay in your own country, assholes. The new songs I'd heard didn't impress me. At all. They're on youtube if you wanna look em up. They're called "New Song #1" and "New Song #2," I think.

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I don't think shredding justifies being a tool.

Oh, I just meant he's a tool of a person. There's this one DiMarzio pickups ad that proves my point so well, but I can't find it online. If you saw it, you'd understand what I'm talking about.

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On a slightly related note, I could just have an overall pessimistic view because I'm at the moment sick of any heavy metal that isn't Metallica, Mastodon or King Diamond. I've spent most of the past year and a half listening almost exclusively to metal. Progressive atmospheric melodic death metal from Sweden, anyone? That said, a lot of metal sounds trite to me.

Yeah, that'll do it.

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at least they're not as much of prog-metal wankers as Spiral Architect.

Very well said.

On a relatively unrelated note, do you still reside in "Illadelph?" If not, and you're in Pittsburgh, maybe jamming some time might be in order? You and I seem to agree on enough music to possibly achieve something.
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2007, 06:53:40 PM »

I actually live in State College, Pennsylvania right now. If I'm ever in Pittsburgh and we could make the arrangements (my drums are at home in Philadelphia), I'd love to jam.
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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2007, 05:28:20 PM »

We've just lost our 5th roommate who was living in our second living room, so i'm thinking about getting a drum set and throwing it in there...we'll see though
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